The real reason anyone records new albums
Jay Jay French
Posted 2012-03-04 5:56 PM (#29839)
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The reason to record a new album is to promote a product to tour under.

This is why, AC/DC, KISS, Judas priest, Sabbath, Scorpions,Slayer, Metallica, Iron Maiden etc.......keep releasing new material. They have to to support the promotional engine for a tour. This is why so many albums suck. The band or artist doesn't really have great material but they have to service the promoters, radio stations and press with something to write about. Furthermore, these bands never make any money on the new material because so few people buy the new music. About 5% of the fan base still buys new music. The fans will show up for the show but, sad to say, could care less about the 'new material'. We knew this when we came back, discussed it and realized the amount of time, against which we can never tour to reap whatever benefits it may bring, makes releasing anything new a bad business decision. I can promise you that if we ever had to 'tour', then releasing new material would be a strong consideration. I wouldn't, however, put a dime on this bet.

As we don't tour, there is nothing to promote except....us. We release 'product' when we feel that the quality demands it. We don't jerk around our fans. We play a handful of shows to perform for our fans that now cover 33 countries. This means 1 show per year in 10-12 different countries and this year even less. That can never burn you out as we are seen by relatively few people in any given year.

This is how we do it. I cant speak for any other band. Our situation is unique.

Lastly, I didn't think we would be playing this year but European and South American demand is overwhelming.
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Posted 2012-03-05 12:45 AM (#29846 - in reply to #29839)
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As always, very well put Jay Jay. As much as the hard core fans would love to have a new album, the business has certainly changed over the years and you are correct in that very few people buy CDs anymore. It's a shame and I personally find it quite sad but it is what it is. If you ever decide that you have the passion to record new material, I know that there are fans out there that would buy it. I would definitely be in line for it. But realistically, there would probably not be enough to make it a successful business venture. In the end, it would ultimately just end up being something that you would do for your own personal reasons such as when you recorded “Still Hungry”. Either way, as long as you keep the flag flying, we’ll salute it!
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Posted 2012-03-05 2:30 AM (#29847 - in reply to #29839)
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I wanna See Twisted Alive and well for few more years, at least till 2016.

About a new album, Jay Jay, don't forget that Dee is now releasing a new Broadway Album, and he released Van Helsing's Curse album, and i don't think that he sold as many copies worldwide.... BUT, he made something unique....

I WOULD LOVE to see new Twisted music that WE ALL KNOW you have it somewhere burried deep.... you are right about the sell, it wouldn't sell like the good old times.

However, I'M HAPPY that the demands are coming year after year from Europe especcially, so hope to see you again soon...
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Posted 2012-03-05 8:48 AM (#29854 - in reply to #29839)
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Well Jay Jay is a real professional in this stuff. I can only really speak for me allthough I think Twisted fans are a unique bunch in them selves. I personally like new TS music, not the holiday stuff that much as the just regular song one might come up with. But I dont like a lot of bands material, where iI do like TS's. I so love this band and Dees song writing ability is far superior to me than certainly most other's. I guess I dont fit in the mold of going to the bath room when a new TS song comes up by this band. you know When I got a Copy of Rari Dees,some time back I was absoulutly thrilled to have some new material to play on the music system I have at my house. And Jays leads have allways just blown me away !--Now Eddie is really amazing Too! what magic !


Twisted will allways be my fav! -- I love the band , Its peeps ,Its friends and just everthing about it !







Edited by Jim Hudson 2012-03-05 8:54 AM
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Posted 2012-03-05 8:30 PM (#29864 - in reply to #29839)
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THank you for posting that Jay Jay.
"30" was a perfect example--what a fantastic song and a great video. Yet when the band played it live, it didn't get the warm reception that it deserved by the entire crowd. I think most just wax nostalgic and want to hear the radio favorites because they know the words, and aren't open to the new songs, which is really a damn shame. 30 is such a good song.


I think some of the fans here have to fully realize that the demand for Twisted Sister in the U.S. is not even close to other parts of the globe. In the States, we have many different opportunities to see live music and let's face it---while the fans here in the US may share the passion for TS--they don't demonstrate it by turning out for shows. Some won't travel or just can't for financial reasons.

In contrast, the incredible display of love, dedication and passion shown in South America, Greece and Finland were absolutely nothing short of phenomenal. I met people in Brazil who traveled for miles and miles; some saved up for months to buy a ticket. (the tickets were VERY expensive there, even by US standards). I met fans who slept outside the hotel, on the street, just to wish the band well when they left. One fan told me that he had been eating only one small meal a day, to save up enough to buy a ticket and bus ride to the show. The place sold out--and could have probably sold out 2 nights or more.

You have fans like Marty--who traveled from Scotland....Mark from Austrailia....Patrick...who is up to 6 or 7 Countires now....DCT (Donna from CT) who has been to shows in the thousands....Cyndi who traveled to Italy and England....and many, many more. If more fans turned up for shows in the US, we'd have a better chance of seeing them booked here. The demand overseas is greater because those promoters know that the clubs will sell out.

Sometimes....the fans here have a funny way of showing appreciation. Kind of like screaming for TS to play in their town...and then when they do...post less than flattering things about the performance. Yeah. You won't see that from the European, South America or Russian fans.

Okay. nuff from me. Now that the ol' fingers are warmed up, I've got a glowing road report to write....

Keep rockin' Jay Jay--I'll see you in Europe....and maybe...OOOoooooh....South America again? I would SO love to go back there!
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Posted 2012-03-06 11:28 AM (#29876 - in reply to #29839)
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Jay Jay French - 2012-03-04 11:56 PM

The reason to record a new album is to promote a product to tour under.

This is why, AC/DC, KISS, Judas priest, Sabbath, Scorpions,Slayer, Metallica, Iron Maiden etc.......keep releasing new material. They have to to support the promotional engine for a tour. This is why so many albums suck. The band or artist doesn't really have great material but they have to service the promoters, radio stations and press with something to write about. Furthermore, these bands never make any money on the new material because so few people buy the new music. About 5% of the fan base still buys new music. The fans will show up for the show but, sad to say, could care less about the 'new material'. We knew this when we came back, discussed it and realized the amount of time, against which we can never tour to reap whatever benefits it may bring, makes releasing anything new a bad business decision. I can promise you that if we ever had to 'tour', then releasing new material would be a strong consideration. I wouldn't, however, put a dime on this bet.

As we don't tour, there is nothing to promote except....us. We release 'product' when we feel that the quality demands it. We don't jerk around our fans. We play a handful of shows to perform for our fans that now cover 33 countries. This means 1 show per year in 10-12 different countries and this year even less. That can never burn you out as we are seen by relatively few people in any given year.

This is how we do it. I cant speak for any other band. Our situation is unique.

Lastly, I didn't think we would be playing this year but European and South American demand is overwhelming.


Iron Maiden's last album sold more than one million copies worldwide!!!
Here, in the Czech rep are so much metalheads and the last IM album was No1 for three weeks in our charts.
But for twisted sister: I really like the Idea of not playing so much, because that make TS really best LIVE band on earth!
BTW: Are you gonna release the Masters Of Rock '11 Show on DVD? (I've heard that you filmed it from the promoter)
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Posted 2012-03-06 1:52 PM (#29878 - in reply to #29839)
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It's clear now that music industry is eventually dissapearing. Albums make almost no profit, so, who would invest his $$$ if there are no benefits? Only the biggest bands keep releasing records, not only to promote tours but to make some cash of the CDs as the recording process is not as expensive nowadays than some years ago with all the digital recording and mixing. But it's true that CDs do not sell as they used to do in the 80s-90s. For example, the latest KISS CD (Sonic Boom) was the 2nd top selling album in the US after the first week of release but it has not achieved even gold status!
Abyway, long time fans of bands like Twisted Sister or KISS or AC/DC want to hear their long time hits at live shows, so there's no real need for veteran bands to keep releasing new music.
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Posted 2012-03-06 4:34 PM (#29879 - in reply to #29839)
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I'd definately buy a new album but I'd be real bummed off and feel I was being ripped off if it was only offered as crappy mp3 download.
There are still some of us out there that like to actually hold something tangible in our hands.
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Posted 2012-03-06 6:12 PM (#29880 - in reply to #29839)
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yep, europe and south america know where its at. i sure wish the u.s. would get on board and get some killer tours to roll through.
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Posted 2012-03-06 8:55 PM (#29884 - in reply to #29864)
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I fell in love with the song "30" the first time i ever heard it.Funny thing is, I didnt even know they had recorded it until I saw the video(which was bad-ass by the way!)on YouTube! Which leads me to my point: Jay Jay is entirely correct in his assessment of the music industry as far as new albums go.I realize fans would LOVE a new album,as would I, BUT you have to realize that times have changed.Just about any song or album you want can be found on the internet.I really cant think of ANYONE who so much as even has a cd or cassette player anymore, it's I-pod or MP3 players now.If anything, it would seem to me that any new material or album would generate more revenue if it was offered on any given website as paying downloads.Even if they decided to do new material, just put it on this website as pay per download.I'm sure a lot of fans would go for that, I know I would!
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Posted 2012-03-09 9:30 PM (#29915 - in reply to #29839)
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RE>>>quote" Lastly, I didn't think we would be playing this year but European and South American demand is overwhelming."

The US can't compete with the awesome festival crowds over the pond, they RULE in numbers no doubt!!!!



Jay Jay French - 2012-03-04 12:56 PM

The reason to record a new album is to promote a product to tour under.

This is why, AC/DC, KISS, Judas priest, Sabbath, Scorpions,Slayer, Metallica, Iron Maiden etc.......keep releasing new material. They have to to support the promotional engine for a tour. This is why so many albums suck. The band or artist doesn't really have great material but they have to service the promoters, radio stations and press with something to write about. Furthermore, these bands never make any money on the new material because so few people buy the new music. About 5% of the fan base still buys new music. The fans will show up for the show but, sad to say, could care less about the 'new material'. We knew this when we came back, discussed it and realized the amount of time, against which we can never tour to reap whatever benefits it may bring, makes releasing anything new a bad business decision. I can promise you that if we ever had to 'tour', then releasing new material would be a strong consideration. I wouldn't, however, put a dime on this bet.

As we don't tour, there is nothing to promote except....us. We release 'product' when we feel that the quality demands it. We don't jerk around our fans. We play a handful of shows to perform for our fans that now cover 33 countries. This means 1 show per year in 10-12 different countries and this year even less. That can never burn you out as we are seen by relatively few people in any given year.

This is how we do it. I cant speak for any other band. Our situation is unique.

Lastly, I didn't think we would be playing this year but European and South American demand is overwhelming.


Edited by SMF Cyndi 2012-03-09 9:31 PM
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Posted 2012-03-12 1:52 PM (#29944 - in reply to #29839)
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metallica still sells millions of albums when a new release drops. i don't count the new album with lou reed or the E.P. with 4 leftover demos from death magnetic but watch when metallica drop a new full album it will easily sell over 1 million units in the united states

also ADELE released an album in 2011 and its already sold close to 8 million units in the united states. i know its not hard rock/metal but its proof people will buy music if it connects with enough people
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Posted 2012-03-20 9:39 PM (#30027 - in reply to #29944)
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tssmf4lyfe - 2012-03-12 1:52 PM
also ADELE released an album in 2011 and its already sold close to 8 million units in the united states. i know its not hard rock/metal but its proof people will buy music if it connects with enough people

I don't know about the numbers. There used to be an expression about, "shipped gold, returned platinum"- not to mention how the charts were a total fabrication back in the day and there is always a way to play with the numbers even with computers...

Sorry, but Adele's big hit sounds like a horrid dirge to me. I doubt she will be around as long as TS. Meanwhile there are truly great artists who can't get a major label deal and play small clubs while total hacks make it. Few artists can really impress me as I'm very fussy about music. I think TS is very impressive and awesome-new album or not.