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Location: Baltimore, MD | Here's your setlist from last night:
http://www.twistedsister.com/armadillo/index.php
More to come, my babies, more to come...
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| You forgot "the Kids are Back." |
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Location: Baltimore, MD | Rock10 - 2013-05-12 10:28 AM
You forgot "the Kids are Back."
Whoops--that what happens on 4 hours of sleep. I write down the setlist in my own shorthand, my KRB looked like UTB!
Thanks for the correction--I've updated accordingly! |
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| Hello,
What was the order of the bands?/
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Location: Baltimore, MD | fountainfan - 2013-05-13 12:14 PM
Hello,
What was the order of the bands?/
Thanks!
In order of appearance:
Lords of Mercy
The Rods
Raven
Twisted Sister
Anvil
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| Thanks...!
TT quick headlined? WTF
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Location: Belgium | I find it so strange that Twisted Sister doesn't headline the US shows. At M3 Bret Michaels was headliner and now for the benefit, some band I never heard of. I think if Bret Michaels or Poison would come to a big European metal festival like Hellfest, Wacken or Graspop he/they would be afternoon material but definatly not headliner. Maybe TS is more 'exclusive' in Europe than in the States? |
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Location: Baltimore, MD | Well.... this is just my thoughts on this....
With the Metal Militia.... it was a charity benefit. There was no doubt in anyone's minds there, who was the biggest name and biggest draw. But you know, Anvil was a local fave, and had that special connection to the Metal Militia. Sort of a homecoming. A lot of times, bands will defer the top spot to the "home band." Example? When Y&T toured as Twisted's opener, they let Y&T headline when they played in their hometown.
And sometimes...it's for logistical reasons. (such as TS flying on an early plane the next day) The boys all drove in and drove home, so perhaps it was to allow them to get back on the road....who knows? The important thing is that a lot of money was raised to help the local folks in New Jersey with home repairs. The order of the night isn't a big thing.
I've seen a number of clubs put a band on last because they know many fans will not want to stay that late, but having the act play after, keeps the crowd engaged, sells drinks etc. |
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| We were asked what time slot we wanted to go on. We said about 10, 10:30 latest. It was our choice
In Europe, many times there are bands that go on after the headliner or headliners switch times because it is getting too late and they feel that the crowd is getting burnt out, or they have to fly to another show the next day
In 2009 ZZ Top headlined over us at Sweden Rock. Then, at the last minute, they decided that they wanted to go on at 8 pm, not 10 pm. They switched it around. we closed it. All good....we love those guys
Bret was foolish to insist on closing at M3. I know that he regretted the decision
Whitesnake and us did that to Queensryche several years ago in Spain. We all wanted to go on earlier and we both made QR close the show. QR wasn't happy about it either! They wound up going on at 4am!
It doesn't really matter anymore because any band going on after us is really in a losing position. Many fans either boo or leave. |
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| We were asked what time slot we wanted to go on. We said about 10, 10:30 latest. It was our choice
In Europe, many times there are bands that go on after the headliner or headliners switch times because it is getting too late and they feel that the crowd is getting burnt out, or they have to fly to another show the next day
In 2009 ZZ Top headlined over us at Sweden Rock. Then, at the last minute, they decided that they wanted to go on at 8 pm, not 10 pm. They switched it around. we closed it. All good....we love those guys
Bret was foolish to insist on closing at M3. I know that he regretted the decision
Whitesnake and us did that to Queensryche several years ago in Spain. We all wanted to go on earlier and we both made QR close the show. QR wasn't happy about it either! They wound up going on at 4am!
It doesn't really matter anymore because any band going on after us is really in a losing position. Many fans either boo or leave. |
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Location: Baltimore, MD | In the case of Bret Michaels at M3.... the boo-birds were out en force! The last time I heard boo-ing like that was when they announced Limp Bizkit was coming on after Twisted at Graspop last year |
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Location: Belgium | Armadillo - 2013-05-15 6:24 AM
In the case of Bret Michaels at M3.... the boo-birds were out en force! The last time I heard boo-ing like that was when they announced Limp Bizkit was coming on after Twisted at Graspop last year
 That was probably me (among thousands of others)... During Limp Bizkit I ended up with JP, and many beers, in the afterparty tent. Good times... |
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| http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=91854
Great review of the whole night and all the bands. |
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| http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=189991
Another summary of the night |
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| Hellburner - 2013-05-14 7:09 AM
I find it so strange that Twisted Sister doesn't headline the US shows. At M3 Bret Michaels was headliner and now for the benefit, some band I never heard of. I think if Bret Michaels or Poison would come to a big European metal festival like Hellfest, Wacken or Graspop he/they would be afternoon material but definatly not headliner. Maybe TS is more 'exclusive' in Europe than in the States?
poison has sold over 14 million albums in america compared to twisted sisters 6 million so that gives them the power to request when they play. if bret michaels says "i want to close" he gets to no matter how dumb it is. if poison played these big festivals you speak of in europe they would get the right to close if they request it as long as no band there is bigger then them. yes i know bret michaels solo is not as popular as his main band poison but lets look at it like this. he headlined M3 and was the only performer on the bill to have a top 40 album in the last decade and michaels actually had 2 solo top 40 albums the last decade. |
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Location: Baltimore, MD | tssmf4lyfe - 2013-05-16 9:58 PM
poison has sold over 14 million albums in america compared to twisted sisters 6 million so that gives them the power to request when they play. if bret michaels says "i want to close" he gets to no matter how dumb it is. if poison played these big festivals you speak of in europe they would get the right to close if they request it as long as no band there is bigger then them. yes i know bret michaels solo is not as popular as his main band poison but lets look at it like this. he headlined M3 and was the only performer on the bill to have a top 40 album in the last decade and michaels actually had 2 solo top 40 albums the last decade.
and guess what. he would still suck and TS would still kick his ass. |
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| Armadillo - 2013-05-16 10:53 PM
tssmf4lyfe - 2013-05-16 9:58 PM
poison has sold over 14 million albums in america compared to twisted sisters 6 million so that gives them the power to request when they play. if bret michaels says "i want to close" he gets to no matter how dumb it is. if poison played these big festivals you speak of in europe they would get the right to close if they request it as long as no band there is bigger then them. yes i know bret michaels solo is not as popular as his main band poison but lets look at it like this. he headlined M3 and was the only performer on the bill to have a top 40 album in the last decade and michaels actually had 2 solo top 40 albums the last decade.
and guess what. he would still suck and TS would still kick his ass.
hence why i said no matter how dumb of a decision it is. Jay Jay call tell you though that most of the time the band that has sold the most albums controls when they play at these festivals. sometimes thats not the case but most of the time it. |
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Location: Belgium | I don't how Skid Row/Sebastian Bach compares to Poison and Twisted Sister but last year Sebastian Bach played on the mainstage at Graspop around 12 o'clock just after the opener. Maybe he hasn't sold that many cd's to earn a higher spot but what I do know is that he behaved like a spoiled brat. Constantly complaining about the rain, the early hour and his breakfest (he even burped during a song, which let to the band starting the song all over). And that's the difference with Twisted Sister, they are pro's. Maybe they dont earn a headlinerspot just because of the salesfigures but they do earn it for all the hard work, their enthusiasm and because they kept the 5 original members over all these years. Something you can't say for Bret Michaels, Sebastian Bach, Axl Rose, Blackie Lawless and,...well, actually almost every band that's been round for a few years... |
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| Hellburner - 2013-05-18 3:13 AM
I don't how Skid Row/Sebastian Bach compares to Poison and Twisted Sister but last year Sebastian Bach played on the mainstage at Graspop around 12 o'clock just after the opener. Maybe he hasn't sold that many cd's to earn a higher spot but what I do know is that he behaved like a spoiled brat. Constantly complaining about the rain, the early hour and his breakfest (he even burped during a song, which let to the band starting the song all over). And that's the difference with Twisted Sister, they are pro's. Maybe they dont earn a headlinerspot just because of the salesfigures but they do earn it for all the hard work, their enthusiasm and because they kept the 5 original members over all these years. Something you can't say for Bret Michaels, Sebastian Bach, Axl Rose, Blackie Lawless and,...well, actually almost every band that's been round for a few years...
bret michaels band Poison has the same 4 guys now that it did in 1986 when the first album came out. yes the guitar player left from 1993-1999 but then again twisted sister has a different drummer on under the blade and love is for suckers so no they didn't keep the same 5 guys either all these years. other than that of course bach or michaels solo band isn't always the same people. how many solo artists have exactly the same band every year? |
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| my bad AJ joined right before the band recorded under the blade and is on that album |
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| I think both bands are good but their different. Poison is more of a parting style band where twisted is more hardcore.Both have frontmen who like to be in the limelight Brett and dee both on the apprentice and dee with solo projects and brett with his reality shows.Both do have all their members and still play great!Poison has sold way more than twisted but i think because they have an edge with the female audience and again twisted is more hardcore.For me it comes down to the frontman and nobody comes close to dee!As for bach,he's a great showman but a total jerk!He knows he is one and will never change his ways.Even on that reality show with that superstar band,the members always threatened to punch his lights out!Well, twisted still better! |
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| yes bach knows he's a jerk. i have hit autograph. as far as bret michaels, i get the sense that no matter how much he pimps himself out to tv and stuff he loves playing music |
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| Here is the reality kiddies
Poison/Bret doesn't play the festival circuit in Europe because they havent sold very many records there and nobody knows them. that's why we never see them there.
We have now played over 130 shows since the reunion began 10 years ago. We have headlined over 70 of the worlds biggest festivals in 10 countries during this time. Many of the bands that we have headlined over have sold way more albums then us, by far.
So... the question is: Why does Twisted Sister headline the worlds biggest festivals over many bands that have outsold them?
The answer is;
We are one of the very select few bands in the entire world who promoters trust to get the best fan reaction and make their festival a success. If we are on the bill, it means that the festival is real and meaningful. It is an honor to have that kind of reputation. It began after (according to the reviews, dont get mad at me) we wiped Slayer off the map at Wacken when we closed the festival (Germany's largest metal fest) in 2003 after filling in for Iced Earth. No one expected it. everybody was shocked....except us.
The promoter of Bang Your Head told the promoter at Wacken that we had just put on the greatest show in the history of BYH and that he should trust him that we would do well.
That was the turning point. That is why most well known bands don't even want to play on the same day as us. It's an honor to know that our live show is that intimidating. PS. If you think this is an egotistical statement just know that we welcome the challenge by anyone. If you can take us live, have at it. So far I have seen nothing that has even raised mu pulse past 72 beats a minute. Not one band. Dont get me wrong. i enjoy the bands we play with but from a pure reaction standpoint, there has never been a contest since we have reformed. Not close, by anyone.
We are considered by the worlds biggest festival promoters as the best live act they have ever seen. This happens year after year with every show our reputation only gets bigger and it's a testament to our professionalism and passion that we have been able to increase our legendary live status year after year.
At some point it will end. i hope we know when to leave before the fans know it......Apparently no has told the Stones to go away, They put on the worst show I have ever seen by a major act in my life when I was them last December.
Watching Ronnie Wood and Keith Richards trying to play guitar is like being driven on a tour bus by Ray Charles and Jose Feliciano...without as GPS. Pathetic beyond words.
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Location: Belgium | This why I love you Jay Jay, you just say it like it is, allways to the point with no sugarcoating. \m/ |
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| i would much rather listen to twisted sister than poison. poison aren't even in my top 30 favorites bands but i do have access to view record sales in some countries and poison has outsold twisted sister in the UK where the download festival is held. can't comment on other countries because i have no access to those numbers but i can tell you this. every year since 1999 poison has booked a big summer tour in the USA that runs roughly from late may-late august. the only years this did not happen were 2005, 2010 and now 2013. when are are these big festivals in europe held? in the dead of summer. is it more economical for poison to play 40-50 shows a summer here in the USA or halt a big tour for 2-3 weeks to go play a handful of shows in europe? thats the difference between a band that plays 10 shows a year and can pick and choose what they do and a band that wants to book a summer tour that is 40 dates. poison has played the donnigton festival and a few festivals in brazil in the early 90's but even when they had a top 10 album in the UK never toured there. |
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Location: on a Twisted planet | Jay Jay is right here...
Poison are not so big in Europe.
They can play and people would like to see them, but they were never that huge. |
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| Macedonian SMF - 2013-05-23 6:09 AM
Jay Jay is right here...
Poison are not so big in Europe.
They can play and people would like to see them, but they were never that huge.
they may not be big in europe but again these festivals are usually in the middle of summer and its not economical for poison to play there when they can play about 10 shows here in the USA on a big summer long tour in the same timeframe they would play 3-4 festivals in the span of a month in europe. at least 2 guys in poison have other jobs, the drummer runs his own custom drum kit company and the bass player is a manager/book keeper for other bands. they free up their summer and do a tour and thats it. both twisted sister and poison are from the USA so as an american this is where is matters. i could care less how many tickets any band can sell in some place i am not going to see. music isn't a competition and twisted sister is miles better than poison but both twisted sister and poison played a place here in richmond known as innsbrook after hours and i can state without any doubt the crowd for poison was at least 4X bigger.
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| You're right about in america poison is way bigger than twisted! Let's look at history of both.After stay hungry,twisted does not follow with two good albums.I liked alot of the songs but,im an smf!When twisted crossed over to another audience with their two big hits,they lost alot of their hardcore fans from the bar days.Poison had a few BIG albums,where twisted besides the hardcore fans had only stay hungry that the other fans remember.Then when they had that breakup for that long,it's hard here in america to come back.Poison writes more songs along the lines of lets have a party tonight where twisted songs to me have more meaning! I've seen both live,and to me poison was a good show but twisted just kicks ass! I guess that's not a fair thing to say since i've seen poison just once in the 80's and twisted about 500 times! |
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| As long as you are all fascinated by statistics here is another to contemplate:
Were Not Gonna Take It and I Wanna Rock are the worlds biggest 80's anthems....by a wide margin.
While Poison and many other 80's bands outsold us in total record sales, we have the two most famous anthems. Especially in the US
These two songs have been licensed for more American TV shows, movies and commercials then all the other bands biggest hits combined.
Because these songs are so overwhelmingly famous, it alters the balance of perception when viewed in the larger picture.
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| As long as you are all fascinated by statistics here is another to contemplate:
Were Not Gonna Take It and I Wanna Rock are the worlds biggest 80's anthems....by a wide margin.
While Poison and many other 80's bands outsold us in total record sales, we have the two most famous anthems. Especially in the US
These two songs have been licensed for more American TV shows, movies and commercials then all the other bands biggest hits combined.
Because these songs are so overwhelmingly famous, it alters the balance of perception when viewed in the larger picture.
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| As long as you are all fascinated by statistics here is another to contemplate:
Were Not Gonna Take It and I Wanna Rock are the worlds biggest 80's anthems....by a wide margin.
While Poison and many other 80's bands outsold us in total record sales, we have the two most famous anthems. Especially in the US
These two songs have been licensed for more American TV shows, movies and commercials then all the other bands biggest hits combined.
Because these songs are so overwhelmingly famous, it alters the balance of perception when viewed in the larger picture.
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| As long as you are all fascinated by statistics here is another to contemplate:
Were Not Gonna Take It and I Wanna Rock are the worlds biggest 80's anthems....by a wide margin.
While Poison and many other 80's bands outsold us in total record sales, we have the two most famous anthems. Especially in the US
These two songs have been licensed for more American TV shows, movies and commercials then all the other bands biggest hits combined.
Because these songs are so overwhelmingly famous, it alters the balance of perception when viewed in the larger picture.
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| So true..."We Will Rock You/We Are The Champions" is the only other song(s) that I can think of that is similarly close...but probably not even! |
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| Fast Joey - 2013-05-25 12:10 PM
So true..."We Will Rock You/We Are The Champions" is the only other song(s) that I can think of that is similarly close...but probably not even!
yes and doesn't twisted sister license the songs? if not them then doesn't atlantic keep shelling them out so that atlantic can make a buck? nothing like seeing what was an angry youth album in maxi pad and cough syrup commercials. led zeppelin has only licensed 1 song ever to be used in a commercial so i guess that means led zeppelin are not popular anymore? |
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