Two for one: HELLFEST setlist and Austin Road Report
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Posted 2013-06-21 6:42 PM (#32266)
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Here you go babies...the Austin Road Report and this evening's set list from France! Bon Soir!
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Posted 2013-06-21 8:05 PM (#32269 - in reply to #32266)
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Just read your Texas review... Very good Job!

Thanks for doing that!

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Posted 2013-06-21 10:02 PM (#32270 - in reply to #32266)
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WTF? I mean really? What the fuck guys? What happened at hellfest? The day started bad, finding out that there was some royal fuck up with my stupid useless hotel (ever thought about staying at Quick palace in nantes? Don't it sucks and the staff are total cunts), which made me having to leave after Europe to sort things out. Got late to the festival and missed most of saxon, which didn't help my mood, but was my fault. After europe i left my second row spot, ran to the car, broke all speed limits known to mankind,, probably even purchased myself a shiny flashy picture, had some choice words for my hotel manager and rushed back to at least see half of whitesnake, or so was the plan, as a traffic jam wouldn't have that. I got increasingly more angry for missing whitesnake, as i also missed them at a festival 2 years before due to traffic. So as i settled into 5th row, about 5 mins after they had ended, i was angry, but equally happy to be there in time for ts,as i feared worst. Whilst i was plotting how to get closer i noticed that a.j. got a new drum kit. I also noticed that the still low hanging banner had some strange font and colours. I found that peculiar. When i saw that the back line and mic stands looked different and dees stand wasn't even there i got nervous. And when i saw that ts now has a keyboadplayer i freaked and asked the guy next to me whether the running order got changed. And the guy told me something i never ever wanted to hear. He told me that ts and whitesnake traded places. WTF? Do you want to tell me i drove 1200 km to a festival in france and i missed the one band which was the

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Posted 2013-06-21 10:18 PM (#32271 - in reply to #32266)
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The main reason for me to go. Get the fuck out of here. Who's idea was it to trade a measly (i hate shortened sets) 75 minute gig in somewhat cool sundown light against a even more measly 60 mins in broad daylight?? I checked hellfest website in the morning. I downloaded the hellfest app too. There was no mentioning of a switch.
How can it be that i'm the moron driving 1200 km to see a band and miss them?
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Posted 2013-06-22 6:31 AM (#32272 - in reply to #32266)
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Oh Patrick! I'm so, so sorry--that would devastate me as well. I am not privy to the details of why the switch occurred, I can only tell in my limited experience has been that the rock world is a dynamic, ever-changing, ever flexible environment. Things change rapidly, often without much notice, and many times, the band has little or no control over the exact time they play. The alleged wifi at the festival was a hot mess--I couldn't get on the net at all to post updates.

These things happen--especially at large venues. Truly, that is just a miserable experience--I tend to be a bit obsessive about getting to shows before they open...and not leaving until after TS plays.
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Posted 2013-06-22 5:06 PM (#32279 - in reply to #32266)
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Ohhh man... i feel for you Patrick...
Bad and sad day and travel you had there... sucks


i see very positive online comments and posts about the TS show at Hellfest... wish i was there
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Posted 2013-06-22 10:09 PM (#32287 - in reply to #32266)
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Oh well... 'it just happens' doesn,t quite cut it. That a co-headliner gets reduced to a better afternoon slot and their showtime is cut down by 15 mins , after tickets had been sold and programs printed, isn't every day occurance. I've been to many festivals before and the only time i saw slot switches happen, was when an artist couldn't be there in time. But then they still played the same setlength. I really wonder how many people knew of the switch, as, other than in the program with the wrong schedule, i couldn't find a single schedule on site and they revamped the hellfest website.
And as i said. I didn't leave the venue by choice. I left to have a place to sleep.

@macedonian smf
Yes. It was. Hellfest indeed. I thought i was in hell.


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Posted 2013-06-22 10:45 PM (#32288 - in reply to #32266)
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Okay. I read your blog now. You said a headliner cancelled!? Who? Everybody was there. Whitesnake got bumped up and twisted sister got bumped down.
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Posted 2013-06-23 3:19 AM (#32289 - in reply to #32288)
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PatrickS77 - 2013-06-22 4:45 AM

Okay. I read your blog now. You said a headliner cancelled!? Who? Everybody was there. Whitesnake got bumped up and twisted sister got bumped down.


Patrick, what you've been through is an absolute nightmare but this is a pdf I downloaded a while back when I was thinking of going to Hellfest. The headliner that cancelled was Aerosmith. They hadn't announced any dates, but a very well informed source did comfirm that they were planned as headliner for Hellfest and Graspop. That is why there were that many changes in the line-up. ZZ Top, Kiss and Aerosmith were the original headliners and this was changed to Def Leppard, Kiss and Volbeat, with ZZ Top on saturday as co headliner and Twsited and Whitesnake on friday. This let to a extremely packed friday and a very poor sunday. There were many problems this year at Hellfest and it's a shame a SMF had to become part of that misery.

http://www.hellfest.fr/images/docs/ro.pdf

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Posted 2013-06-23 4:10 AM (#32290 - in reply to #32266)
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Patrick, I don't want to make you're suffering worse, but I did some research and it seems that the pdf I downloaded was posted on 8 april 2013...

http://www.google.be/#q=hellfest+running+order+2013&safe=active&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:y&sa=X&ei=MKvGUZjHNoWttAbVxYCoCw&sqi=2&ved=0CBsQpwUoBQ&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48293060,d.Yms&fp=d771cc4252ebc266&biw=1280&bih=861
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Posted 2013-06-23 6:07 AM (#32291 - in reply to #32266)
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Yes. Aerosmith were rumoured early on, but they were out soon, at the latest as soon as def leppard got announced. That pdf isn,t helping and makes matters worse, as mine says differently, also the app, which i downloaded on friday morning says differently, as the programs, that were handed out. Also all the usual links from the hellfest site got removed, so you can't really access the other pages... but having just visited that fucking site again, i see that there is a small h that takes you to the full site... but how am i supposed to know to click on some random h?

But i realize now that everything was working against me. Me not checking out the schedule every day (although one would think it's enough to do it on the day of the show). An outdated app. A revamped site. A fucked up hotel, that demands me to check in during the evening, despite having a selfserving 24 check in safe/terminal and having previously claim it's possible to check in at other times itand an unsual downgrading from co-headliner to also-run.
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Posted 2013-06-26 1:07 PM (#32304 - in reply to #32266)
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Hi Patrick...again, I'm so sorry. I can only begin to imagine how frustrating and upsetting. I've come close to missing the shows twice--once when my flight was cancelled to Ft. Wayne...and most recently, when immigration wouldn't let me into Brazil and the show was barely 2 hours away.

I do not know specifics or the business side to this industry, but from what I have observed, there is a certain amount of "movement" that does occur on band running orders at these festivals, and it happens more than you know, a lot of times, the changes seem to happen very quickly--and it does always appear to be something that bands have complete control over.

I don't want to rub salt in the wounds--I know that it just plain hurts right now. (my brother once missed a concert that he spent big bucks on tickets--he read the wrong date on the ticket--he STILL can't talk about it and it's been 25 years) The locals told me that the roads are impassable during the festival--we (crew) were brought in very, very early in the day to avoid the traffic jam.
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Posted 2013-06-26 5:33 PM (#32307 - in reply to #32266)
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Yes. I do understand some minor bands getting shifted around earlier on, but not a co-headliner that is scheduled to play 75 99mins at 20:45 being reduced to 60 mins at 18:30 and that well after tickets went on sale (and the organization not removing all traces of the old schedule). That is a major change and shouldn't have happened. I wonder if they reduced twisted sister's fee and raised whitesnake's fee. Had i known all along it would only be 60 minutes i maybe wouldn't have done hellfest at all and settled for graspop. But despite the pain of missing them, my 3000 km trip was great and i'm looking forward to 90 mins at graspop now and sweden next month.

Wow. Reading the wrong date on the ticket?? I think i had nightmares about that one. As for the streets around the festival, that wasn't too bad. The jam was in nantes and on sat night, after korn.


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Posted 2013-06-26 7:00 PM (#32308 - in reply to #32266)
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Ouch - I feel your pain Patrick! That has to be the worst nightmare ever (certainly it's a fear I have every time I do a long distance trip). Enjoy this weekend!!

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Posted 2013-06-26 7:02 PM (#32310 - in reply to #32266)
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SIGNIFICANT TYPO...my apologies. too little sleep--too fast fingers...
What I meant to type...running order is something that it seems that most bands do NOT always have a lot of control over. Sometimes, I swear, the fans know more about the band lineups and show times than the artists do.

It's funny...when I'm in the front row, I usually know when Twisted is taking the stage down to the minutes. Working crew? I know it's time when I see the production crew head to the booth.

As for the business side--that is strictly for the management folks. My job is mostly to serve as a runner. I wouldn't know the business end of music from a carrot.

I'll take 1 hr of Twisted music over 4 hours of some other bands. Hell, it took me 5 hours of heavy freeway driving in traffic to make the benefit, and they played 8 songs. (still awesome. still worth it) Graspop is going to be insane!! I highly recommend it
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Posted 2013-06-27 7:22 PM (#32314 - in reply to #32307)
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Headliners change positions all the time.

2 years ago in Spain Iron Maiden switched with us less then 3 hours before stage time and cut their set nearly in half.

ZZ Top changed with us in 2010 2 hours before stage time at Sweden Rock. They asked us to close and they went on 2 hours earlier then advertised.

Whitesnake and us changed the whole running order of a show in Spain in 2006, making Queensryche the headliner because we didn't like our stage times.

This is what happens at festivals to all bands

It happens all the time.
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Posted 2013-06-29 3:12 PM (#32330 - in reply to #32266)
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To say that this happens all the time is a bit of a overstatement. Out of the 30 or so festival i've seen this is the first time a headliner or higher ranked band severely changed position and setlength after tickets have been put on sale and a running order has been advertised. At least festivals, who respect the paying fans don't do that. Of course exceptions are when there are unforseen travelling delays.

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Posted 2013-06-30 7:11 PM (#32342 - in reply to #32308)
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marty - 2013-06-27 1:00 AM

Ouch - I feel your pain Patrick! That has to be the worst nightmare ever (certainly it's a fear I have every time I do a long distance trip). Enjoy this weekend!!



Hey Marty, Yeah. It was and strangely enough this time, before leaving, I had a feeling about not seeing them perform. The whole thing kinda feels like an episode of Twilight Zone, when I see videos and pics of them at Hellfest. Like a different dimension. I've been there and more or less saw 17 bands and yet my Hellfest was without Twisted Sister. I did see on Dimeadozen.org though, that I wasn't the only one not aware of the running order change. Other people missed them too, due to that sloppy organization handing out outdated schedules and leaving outdated information on their website.

I did enjoy Graspop though. It was great.
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Posted 2013-06-30 9:43 PM (#32343 - in reply to #32330)
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Patrick-- I disagree with you on this point--it DOES happen quite a bit....and worse, sometimes bands are taken completely off the bill. There were a lot of fans in South America who really wanted to see Loudness, for many it might have been their only chance--and they saved up their money for weeks. VISA issues kept them from coming. I can't tell you how many times I've seen running orders change at the 11th hour. I agree that the festival should notify fans in a timely fashion.

The cautionary tale here is when you get a second row spot, don't leave the festival. no camera is worth it.
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Posted 2013-07-01 3:34 AM (#32345 - in reply to #32266)
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Yep, it's probably the best to be on the fest for the whole day :D

when TS played Hungary i didn't know the exact time so i hanged there around the stage all the time
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Posted 2013-07-01 7:09 AM (#32347 - in reply to #32266)
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I really do not want to argue about this. All I can say is, that at all the festivals I've been to over the years (around 30) a case like this has never happened before, where one band just switched places and set length with another band, without any real explanation (like, for example, being delayed in travelling there, making it impossible to keep the original schedule, like what happened with Soulfly at Graspop... if that would have happened with TS, then it would have just been bad luck on my part and no one to blame really). Also, it's different to change things before a schedule has been posted, but once one has been posted, they should just fucking stick to it, unless there is an emergency.

They posted that TS would be co-headliner and promised a 75 mins gig to the fans. It is disrespectful to the paying customer (and in a way even cheating them... I do know why I generally wait until the last minute to buy tickets for a festival... it's too easy to get fucked over, should your favourite band, for whatever reason, drop out, your stuck with a festival ticket and no chance to return it), who base their decision to go to a festival and travelling times, on the promised schedules, to just change things seemingly on a whim (and not make a news item out of it, so more people are getting aware of it). And it is unprofessional to hand out thousands of outdated schedules to the fans and keep outdated schedules on the website and hugely advertise a fucking app, which was supposed to give you the latest news and have that app feature a wrong schedule. But there are professional and unprofessional festivals... some who give a shit and some who don't. Probably I've only been to festivals that give a shit.

The more I think about it, the more I realize, it certainly was not my fault for leaving, as a) I had no other choice, b) I certainly wasn't happy about leaving and c) I checked the schedule, which told me it was fine to leave and I did check the schedule at the time it made the most sense, on the day of the festival (and I certainly didn't leave for a camera... I never would give up a front or second row spot for anything other than a exploding bladder... I left because I had to go check into the Hotel I paid for 2 nights). It was the fault of those fuckers organizing the festival to not make sure that only current information is accesible through their website and to not make a note that the printed and downloadable program has a wrong schedule. And, unlike Graspop, there weren't any schedule notices on the screens between bands or posted anywhere else, also there were no schedule announcements and on both days I was there, I did not see one single schedule on the whole area in the hands of people, that wasn't ripped out of the program and thus was outdated.

Edited by PatrickS77 2013-07-01 7:19 AM