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If Dee leaves the band...? Should TS continue with New Singer?
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Rock10
Posted 2014-09-26 11:41 PM (#34326 - in reply to #34323)
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fountainfan - 2014-09-26 4:20 PM

Your way off the mark............

Dee obviously wants to play ALL of his music not the same ole TS stuff..

He has the 2 widowmaker albums, Love is for Suckers lp, a solo album called Never let the bastards wear you down.. And the Desperado stuff..

Thats 5 albums worth of his music.... That he does NOT ever play... Maybe he wants a change...
Plus he wants to do other stuff. Get it?

SMFF


If TS is ending, I know Dee wants to leave before he gets old. TS could do songs from "LIFS", but they only do big gigs at festivals outside of the U.S. I am right about TS not doing well in America.
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Posted 2014-09-27 2:19 PM (#34328 - in reply to #34269)
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I would choose Twisted Sister with a new singer and new material above Twisted Sister with Dee and no new songs. What can they bring at this point? They are travelling the world for several years now, they played at the biggest festivals in Europe. I would not mind to see them every year in Belgium but how many people feel this way? Not many I think. They can't keep on doing these festivals with the same show and songs, people will get tired of them even in Europe. So what can they do? Play in Australia and Japan as many local fans ask? Maybe Wacken once more? If Twisted Sister doesn't bring out new material they are finished maybe not in 2015 but the time will come that it will be too much for too few. So it'is my believe that TS has more need of new material than that they need Dee. If Dee retires TS should do the same unless they find a new singer to record new songs with. Maybe S. Bach is allready tired of being a solo artist?
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Posted 2014-09-27 2:25 PM (#34329 - in reply to #34269)
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If they are so big in Sweden, then why don't they play any arenas in Sweden? Why do the only do the festival?
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Posted 2014-09-28 3:37 AM (#34333 - in reply to #34317)
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Armadillo - 2014-09-25 11:20 PM
Fast Joey - 2014-09-22 6:54 PM 
 I think Armadillo could do it.
 

Yes, but unfortunately, there's a thing. 
There is a height requirement for the job. And I'm a foot too short. 
There is also a hair requirement. And I'm as bald as a cue ball. 
There's also that singing thing. And my vocal cords are too damaged. 
There's the "must-have-a-body-like-a-greek-god" and ruggedly handsome rock star looks....and I'm....well. .................

Sorry Terry - missed this post or I would have to have commented earlier!!!   ............. don't suppose you've thought about standing in for AJ when he's busy?       


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Posted 2014-09-29 11:07 PM (#34350 - in reply to #34329)
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Rock10 - 2014-09-27 2:25 PM

If they are so big in Sweden, then why don't they play any arenas in Sweden? Why do the only do the festival?


They do play arenas in Sweden. They played one last December--it was packed solid! (it was a great show, too! Sandviken, Sweden)
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Posted 2014-09-29 11:15 PM (#34351 - in reply to #34328)
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Hellburner - 2014-09-27 2:19 PM

I would choose Twisted Sister with a new singer and new material above Twisted Sister with Dee and no new songs. What can they bring at this point? They are travelling the world for several years now, they played at the biggest festivals in Europe. I would not mind to see them every year in Belgium but how many people feel this way? Not many I think. They can't keep on doing these festivals with the same show and songs, people will get tired of them even in Europe. So what can they do? Play in Australia and Japan as many local fans ask? Maybe Wacken once more? If Twisted Sister doesn't bring out new material they are finished maybe not in 2015 but the time will come that it will be too much for too few. So it'is my believe that TS has more need of new material than that they need Dee. If Dee retires TS should do the same unless they find a new singer to record new songs with. Maybe S. Bach is allready tired of being a solo artist?


Well. I just know this. They have DEMOLISHED every single festival they played last tour. I mean, seriously…every single one. Even the shows where we thought it wasn't their best, the local newspapers and reviews all gave TS the highest marks as the best band of the festival--even over Metallica and Manowar. Here's another interesting thing--if people are "bored", then why are they staying? For TS, the promoters all comment that the Twisted Sister audiences are packed solid all the way back. When Slayer and other headliners went on, the crowds thinned. Yet…when TS headlined…the crowds were insanely packed until the last song. So obviously, there are still fans interested and engaged. What can they bring? They bring exactly what they always bring--the best damn live heavy metal performance out there.

Play Australia and Japan? Hell yeah, bring it on. I'll open up a new credit card just for that. well, I'll have to…because the one I have is maxed out thanks to the 2014 tour. Umm. Oops. Good times.

Personally, I'll take Twisted Sister WITH Dee, new songs or no new songs. Dee solo? I'm there. Twisted Sister without Dee? Yep. I'll be there, too. Why should we have to pick?
Hellburner
Posted 2014-09-30 6:40 AM (#34353 - in reply to #34351)
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Armadillo - 2014-09-29 5:15 AM

Play Australia and Japan? Hell yeah, bring it on. I'll open up a new credit card just for that. well, I'll have to…because the one I have is maxed out thanks to the 2014 tour. Umm. Oops. Good times.

Personally, I'll take Twisted Sister WITH Dee, new songs or no new songs. Dee solo? I'm there. Twisted Sister without Dee? Yep. I'll be there, too. Why should we have to pick?


Isn't that the subject? If Dee leaves, what should they do? I don't want to choose, but if it was up to me, that would be my opinion. What you say about Slayer is absolutely true, but you have to bear in mind that Slayer didn't take a break for several years like TS. If TS continues like this doing the same as they do now you will see the same crowdresponse as you see with Slayer. If TS would headline Graspop, Bang Your Head or Sweden Rock again next year I'm pretty sure that there will be a lot of negative reactions about it. You can't keep on doing the same festivals with always the same music. Dee thinks that making new music these days is a waste of time and money but look at the attention AC/DC gets now that they announced a new album...

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Posted 2014-09-30 10:18 AM (#34355 - in reply to #34350)
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Armadillo - 2014-09-29 11:07 PM

Rock10 - 2014-09-27 2:25 PM

If they are so big in Sweden, then why don't they play any arenas in Sweden? Why do the only do the festival?


They do play arenas in Sweden. They played one last December--it was packed solid! (it was a great show, too! Sandviken, Sweden)


They played it with Europe, and 5,000 tickets were sold.
SMF, Germany
Posted 2014-09-30 12:42 PM (#34357 - in reply to #34355)
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Rock10 - 2014-09-30 4:18 PM

Armadillo - 2014-09-29 11:07 PM

Rock10 - 2014-09-27 2:25 PM

If they are so big in Sweden, then why don't they play any arenas in Sweden? Why do the only do the festival?


They do play arenas in Sweden. They played one last December--it was packed solid! (it was a great show, too! Sandviken, Sweden)


They played it with Europe, and 5,000 tickets were sold.


Once again I don't get the point you're trying to make. I believe you're an SMF and I have educated myself to tolerate everyone's opinion on a fan-forum on whatever website but your constant negative or meaningless comments are actually starting to bore me, sorry to say ! If you like, tell me something about your person, how old are you, where did you see TS for the first time, have you ever seen TS live ? Maybe, if you could answer these questions it could help me to understand what you're trying to bring across here. So far I just don't get it.............

Is 5.000 people at an indoor show bad ? If you are referring to Sandviken it was a 10.000 seater by the way (not all people might have come to see TS because Europe was also on bill but still.....)

Don't want to sound harsh here and I don't want to start a big discussion............I'm just interested.

Take care and stay twisted.

SMF, Germany

Edited by SMF, Germany 2014-09-30 12:45 PM
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Posted 2014-09-30 11:59 PM (#34364 - in reply to #34353)
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Armadillo - 2014-09-29 5:15 AM

Play Australia and Japan? Hell yeah, bring it on. I'll open up a new credit card just for that. well, I'll have to…because the one I have is maxed out thanks to the 2014 tour. Umm. Oops. Good times.

Personally, I'll take Twisted Sister WITH Dee, new songs or no new songs. Dee solo? I'm there. Twisted Sister without Dee? Yep. I'll be there, too. Why should we have to pick?


Isn't that the subject? If Dee leaves, what should they do? I don't want to choose, but if it was up to me, that would be my opinion. What you say about Slayer is absolutely true, but you have to bear in mind that Slayer didn't take a break for several years like TS. If TS continues like this doing the same as they do now you will see the same crowdresponse as you see with Slayer. If TS would headline Graspop, Bang Your Head or Sweden Rock again next year I'm pretty sure that there will be a lot of negative reactions about it. You can't keep on doing the same festivals with always the same music. Dee thinks that making new music these days is a waste of time and money but look at the attention AC/DC gets now that they announced a new album...


And THAT….is why I believe we will see Twisted Sister retire in the not-so-distant future. They have said that they want to go out on top--and right now, they are definitely on top. They played Graspop back to back years--and the response was great. So maybe next year we'll see some festivals and countries that they've never played before…and they'll go out with a helluva bang. (I would love new music/new album but I've stopped holding onto that hope.) I would like a few more years--til 2020 would be nice. :-) I'll settle for 2017!
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Posted 2014-10-27 11:36 PM (#34440 - in reply to #34269)
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This question sounds like a blasphemy and just makes me sad
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Posted 2014-10-28 5:25 AM (#34442 - in reply to #34269)
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hi
without dee there is no twisted sister, its just the way it is, you could get away with replacing a different band member but not the lead singer.
I am really looking forward to hearing play some widowmaker,solo and desperado stuff live (please no broadway or xmas songs).
my prediction is nothing from ts in 2015, then a coap anniversary tour in 2016.
its only rock n roll.
G.
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Posted 2014-10-29 7:14 AM (#34444 - in reply to #34269)
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RIGHT ON!!!
I Agree :D

Though, i think Sebastian Bach had some reherseals with the TS boys around 2006-2007?
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Posted 2014-10-30 7:55 AM (#34445 - in reply to #34440)
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Katerina - 2014-10-27 5:36 AM

This question sounds like a blasphemy and just makes me sad


Not thinking about the future of Twisted Sister is blasphemy! Everybody here on this slamboard seems to have settled with the thought that TS will stop playing in the not so distant future. Why should we have to agree with that? They are a band, the core business of a band is making new music and playing live music for the fans. Now they only play for the fans and everybody is ok with that, because the band itself told a new album isn't going to happen? Screw that! I don't want TS to quit next year or even not in 5 years. But if they keep on doing what they are doing now, they aren't going to quit on a high note but they are just going to disappear like a 70's - 80's band that did some live shows at the end of their career. And that's something nobody wants. You may say that they play the best live rock music these days, and you can back it up with articles and reviews. But in most cases TS played there for the first time in 30 years. Nobody expects it from a 'nostalgia'band to be this energetic and good. They are used to listen to the uninspirated music of bands like Europe. So most of them are just in shock about what they have seen. At Graspop in 2012 everybody called TS best of the festival and it absoluty was, but in 2013 when everybody knew what to expect, very few were naming them as the best. By the way I don't believe that they are on their top now like Armadillo said. TS doesn't sell out shows or festivals on their own. People come to does festivals because of the festival and the other bands, there is only a small part of them that bought their ticket just for TS and that saddens me. At Alcatraz Metal Meeting this year there were 5000 people, and that was a headlining show for Twisted Sister with W.A.S.P. as sub. At most other festivals they aren't the headliner, because of the low amounts of people that just come for TS. They headlined Copenhell for 20.000 people but that's a festival that's well know in Denmark. At Rock am See in Austria they booked Slayer as headliner instead of TS... And you all think that this is Twisted Sister at it's best? You all believe that they can't do better? Well I think that's blasphemy. It's not wrong when you think about Sebastian Bach to replace Dee, it's just hoping that your favourite band keeps on playing and keeps on making new music. In they wanted to go out with a bang, they should have quit playing after Graspop 2012. Then people would still have been shouting for them to come back. Now I only here people from Australia and Japan shouting.

Edited by Hellburner 2014-10-30 8:14 AM
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Posted 2014-10-30 9:11 PM (#34449 - in reply to #34445)
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Katerina - 2014-10-27 5:36 AM

This question sounds like a blasphemy and just makes me sad


Not thinking about the future of Twisted Sister is blasphemy! Everybody here on this slamboard seems to have settled with the thought that TS will stop playing in the not so distant future. Why should we have to agree with that? They are a band, the core business of a band is making new music and playing live music for the fans. Now they only play for the fans and everybody is ok with that, because the band itself told a new album isn't going to happen? Screw that! I don't want TS to quit next year or even not in 5 years. But if they keep on doing what they are doing now, they aren't going to quit on a high note but they are just going to disappear like a 70's - 80's band that did some live shows at the end of their career. And that's something nobody wants. You may say that they play the best live rock music these days, and you can back it up with articles and reviews. But in most cases TS played there for the first time in 30 years. Nobody expects it from a 'nostalgia'band to be this energetic and good. They are used to listen to the uninspirated music of bands like Europe. So most of them are just in shock about what they have seen. At Graspop in 2012 everybody called TS best of the festival and it absoluty was, but in 2013 when everybody knew what to expect, very few were naming them as the best. By the way I don't believe that they are on their top now like Armadillo said. TS doesn't sell out shows or festivals on their own. People come to does festivals because of the festival and the other bands, there is only a small part of them that bought their ticket just for TS and that saddens me. At Alcatraz Metal Meeting this year there were 5000 people, and that was a headlining show for Twisted Sister with W.A.S.P. as sub. At most other festivals they aren't the headliner, because of the low amounts of people that just come for TS. They headlined Copenhell for 20.000 people but that's a festival that's well know in Denmark. At Rock am See in Austria they booked Slayer as headliner instead of TS... And you all think that this is Twisted Sister at it's best? You all believe that they can't do better? Well I think that's blasphemy. It's not wrong when you think about Sebastian Bach to replace Dee, it's just hoping that your favourite band keeps on playing and keeps on making new music. In they wanted to go out with a bang, they should have quit playing after Graspop 2012. Then people would still have been shouting for them to come back. Now I only here people from Australia and Japan shouting.



Hi Hellburner:
Well, I do agree with you that Twisted Sister alone would not sell out a 20,000 festival on their own…but I would argue that NONE of the bands on those bills would have been able to sell out an entire festival grounds on their own, with the exception of perhaps Metallica. (Who incidentally, did NOT get as good a review in the local press as Twisted did) It's true that Slayer was booked as the headliner in Austria. It's also true that more than half the people walked out 3 songs in. Seriously. They left in droves. (And I love Slayer, one of my favorites) Every time TS played, and it truly didn't matter where, the place was packed nuts to butts. Twisted still gets the gigs because promoters love them--why? The place gets packed when TS plays--and when the fans stay, more concessions get sold, more money made. Almost like the club attraction but on a much larger scale. Graspop 2012 was truly one of the best performances I've seen from them--that show was special, and if it had all ended there, I wouldn't have blamed them a bit. Jay Jay even remarked to me, after that gig "I think this could have been the last show!" But it wasn't. And here we are, having this discussion once more.

I have seen many metal bands play at these festivals who sound and perform badly: Motley Crue? Most dreadful act I've ever seen. Even the Swedes were stunned into silence. Horrible and embarrassing. They are doing a farewell tour now but past due. Def Leppard? The vocals aren't there anymore. I was so disappointed. I could list maybe 20 so bands that I absolutely love, and saw them in the 80's and 90's that now... made me cringe. I would never want to see Twisted Sister perform like that--as much as I love them, it would be better to see them go out playing at the intensity that they are currently playing--the intensity that they played in 2012 at Graspop. And if that means that 2015 is the last time I put on the black and pink, I'll be sad but I can respect it. If they try out a new singer, it won't be the same, but I was a skeptic with Sammy Hagar and I ended up loving Van Hagar all the same.

If they are screaming in Japan and Australia, then perhaps TS needs to go play there instead of Europe. To me, nothing would be better than a farewell show in Japan in front of a bazillion Japanese metal heads screaming their heads off. (Of course, I would love a small Bent Brother show in a tiny club on Long Island to say thanks to the old schoolers…but that's another story)
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